Basically, our options are as follows:
1. Go on with our plan to have our marriage certificate legalized by the State Court, so it is recognized by the Indonesian law. Consequences:
- The kids' birth certificates will be legalized and recorded at the Civil Office as 'foreigners' (who are still required to extend - and pay for - their staying permits in due time)
- I still have to apply for their dual-nationality to HukHAM
- If everything goes well, the kids will be granted Indonesian nationality and still keep their Dutch one until they are 18
- The kids will (automatically?) be granted Indonesian citizenship
- The kids will have to give up their Dutch citizenship(?)
- I can apply for legalization of our marriage certificate much later, when our kids' Indonesian citizenship is granted
Besides, there are still some question marks at Option 2, which I still need to find out. (These institutions don't communicate to each other - and are contradictory in their rules - and I am the one who has to go all over their offices to find out?!)
I went to the Civil Office this afternoon, but the authorized person (who supposed to know about these rules) was in a meeting. I'll go there again tomorrow morning, after dropping the kids at school, and (hopefully) get a clear answer once and for all. Then I'll proceed with our process, before we run out of money, time and patience.
p.s. Mrs. Mm mentioned again whether I am sure that my husband won't cheat on me or get bored living in Bandung. And more of such, but I won't waste our Internet quota for this. Besides, it's more juicy if I tell you the stories directly.. heehee..
HUAHAHAHAAHAA. Intinya si Ibu Mm nih kayaknya harus dilepas dari ketergantungan terhadap sinetron dan acara infotainment lainnya, huahahaha :))
ReplyDeletePS: itu singkatan2 model hukham, dsb, elo bikin sendiri apa singkatan resmi sih :))
buseds itu singkatan, aneh tapi lutu..
ReplyDeleteaaagggrrrhh Ta, kayana klo gw jadi elo, bakalan ga sanggup dweh ngurus² gitu. sekali lagi, gutlak yaaa
i think you and your family should have a lawyer..
ReplyDeleteand I think Bu Mm should retire, and stop watching infotainment...
so complicated yach pilihannya... *garuk2 kepala*
kalo bu Mm selalu mengakhiri kalimatnya dengan, "...setajam SILET!", lo tau darimana otak investigatif dia berasal...
ReplyDeleteBeneran deh Mbak Tita, itu ibu bener2 kebanyakan nonton sinetron2 & infotainment. Tipikal banget gitu lho. Terusnya usil banget..heran. Tarolah kita gak yakin ama suami kita, tapi klo kita milih buat ngurus option 1, so what? *sigh*.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, good luck ya,mbak...terus berjuang dan moga2 lancar. Salam buat Lindri dan Dhanu yaa...dari tante Anin cantik...*muka cantik*
It seems that there's a lot of redtape and overlapping functions with these various offices. Can make your life a living hell!
ReplyDeletembak, kata mamaku (dia notaris) kalau sudah terdaftar di catatan sipil di Belanda, seharusnya sudah langsung sah di sini (menurut UU yang baru itu)
ReplyDeleteibu kantor yang sangat kekeuh ya... (HAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAA). hmmmm
ReplyDeleteassseeeeek !
ReplyDeletesarapan di purnama sabtu besok bakal seruuuuuu !
Mau donk cerita lengkapnya, hihihihihihihihi.... masak cuman buat Chica? :)
ReplyDeleteHm... sebenernya Bu Mm ini pemain sinetron kali ye???!!!
ReplyDelete*aslee burem ngeliat proses nya*
Bus way, dibalik kesulitan pasti ada kemudahan. So, terusin perjuangan Ta!!!
Apa yang Indonesia tawarkan sih ya ? ampe mau jadi WNI aja kayaknya ribet bener ?
ReplyDeletePadahal kalo kenapa2 di Luar Negeri , boro2 mau dibantuin .. nasib :(
Ini tergantung banget sama kota dan indvidu yg menjalankan KBRI. KBRI Bern hebat!
ReplyDelete*maap, promosi KBRI Bern :p*
ke belanda lagi aja ta...hihihihihihi
ReplyDeleteAyo tetap semangat mba....:D
ReplyDelete****UPDATE****
ReplyDeleteSo, I went to DisDuk this morning to meet Kepala Sub Dinas Pencatatan, Mrs. Suheti, who supposed to understand all details concerning the citizenship rules. The talk was short and nice and necessary. Now it's clear that:
- I am not allowed to register the kids' birth certificate as 'born outside a marriage bond' because we are already officially married (proof: the certificate from The Netherlands)
- The kids will be registered as foreigners
- After I apply for their dual-nationality at HukHAM, I'll have to go again to DisDuk to report the application - and later - the result. Then they'll produce a letter to supplement their birth certificates, stating that they have dual-nationality.
Right on! We'll proceed with Option 1!
ven: itu singkatan2 beneran lho.. hehe.. gue juga baru rada fasih setelah ngurus2 ini :P
ReplyDeletendy: Makasiiih :) emang ini musti diniatin
modjo: Having a lawyer is perhaps our very very last resort :)
anakhalal: lhah, giliran gue yg nggatau itu istilah dari mana :))
anin: dankjeweeelll.. *sambil cari2 yg cantik, mana ya?*
tita: indeed, the problem lies mainly at the co-ordination (or lack thereof) among governmental institutions
bert: gitu ya? mestinya sih.. tp believe it or not, istilah 'legalisir' dan 'meterai' itu cuma dikenal di Indonesia lho :P (belanda udah nggak pake lagi, mereka cuma sedia legalisir di DepLu utk orang2 yg berkepentingan dgn negara macem RI gini)
tas: mau ta' kenalin? :D
chic: hahahaha mari mariii
pet: syusya doong.. kan musti pake bahasa tubuh dan intonasi suara yg tepat! ayo ke sini bentar kalo mau gue ceritain, ajak alicia ya.. hihihi
lien: siap! terimakasiiihh
bob: iya sih. padahal kinerja KBRI saya lihat udah lumayan lho, cukup membantu (at least ke student)
ple: males ah, ntar deketan lagi ama elu! huehuehue
ve: tentu! nuhuunn
ah akhirnya ada kejelasan !
ReplyDeleteselamat berjuang lagi sepupu :*
Jadi intinya ada 4 instansi yang harus dihubungi ya :-?
ReplyDeleteahaaa... akhirnya... ta cariin bule cakep, baek, pinter & kaya dong buat gua...hahahaha
ReplyDeleteyang ini aku setuju.... karena selama ini asyik2 aja kalo ada urusan ttg dokumen etc...
ReplyDeletecerita dong Ta...., jadi timbul keingin tahuannya...
ReplyDeletei think you have to consult a lawyer...
ReplyDeletePlon, ikut seneng Dhanu&Lindri gakjadi 'anak di luar nikah'! Mrs. Mm ternyata sok teu (apa mengharap gono gini?). Soalnya gue tanya2 sama Konjen Frankfurt juga jawabannya hampir mirip sama info terbaru ini, cuman gue masih belum berniat proses lebih lanjut yang sehubungan dengan kita yang ngga tinggal di indo ini, jadi seneng banget baca pengalaman pribadimu ini. Semoga semuanya mudah dan lancar ya plon! ***mmuach*** (sembari ngiri sama yang mau makan rame2 di Bandung!!!!! Salam buat pesertanya ya plon...jangan lupa cerita2 daftar makanan hehehe...*sigh*)
ReplyDeleteSinetron! on Astro Aruna....
ReplyDeletechic: iya! lega banget! makasiiih
ReplyDeleteyu: iya, ada 4 instansi yg harus dikonfirmasi. hayo pasti kamu cerita2 juga ke pakdhe ya :P
lex: elu cari duluan deh, kl ketemu kasih tau gue ya.. hahaha
del: haha ya gitu deh.. mungkin mirip ama infotainment yg isinya urusan internal RT orang hehehe
meutia: we've been looking around for a kind of public legal service (similar to the one we consulted in amsterdam - it's free), but we haven't found any here. and now that the path is getting clearer, i hope we can solve this matter soon. thanks :)
riz: and who would that be? :D
benerrr plon, gue juga lega :D gue paling gak tenang kalo pake 'jalan belakang' apapun modelnya. makasih ya makplon, silakan nunggu daftar menunya.. khekhekhee..
ReplyDeleteMb Tita, bagus ada kejelasan sekarang ya... Good luck utk langkah2 selanjutnya! :)
ReplyDeleteTa... untung bukan Mrs Ml..... itu bukan gue kan Merlyna Mim? hihihihi....
ReplyDeletebtw, makasih ye udah cerita2... jadi gue ngerti gimana caranya kalau ini terjadi sama gue...... ntar gue bakal selalu refer, "Tapi menurut Mbak DL kan ternyata HukHam... dan KanIm itu kan..... etc...etc.." haahaha.....
yik: iya senang, sudah ada kepastian jalur, tinggal diproses. trims :)
ReplyDeletemer: huehue.. kalo ms. ml, itu baru kamuuu.. kalau suatu hari ini kejadian lagi, kali2 peraturannya udah beda lagi, jadi kutipan dari mbak DL mungkin saja sudah kadaluwarsa :P
juicy ay?
ReplyDeleteperhaps a interesting topik, tapi bahasaku tak terlalu baik, jadi gak paham samua.
ReplyDeleteWhat was the problem? Can you give a summary in English?